are there really spamming in this forum?

[calvynlee]

Originally Posted by tolkein

This forum's turning into a joke ...yet again. Blatant spamming, nobody moderates and the forum owner doesn't even care. Guys like Liew CF and Lim CS already came and probably given up.
It looks like it's time for me to leave too.

u mean this thread spamming? (topic :Turn Your Homeline phone to Mobile!!!)
i do agree now a day alot new mamber come in to promote their product, but if the product they promote are related to us. i think that is good news, at least we can know more thing!

for the member introduction site, a guy from canada posted the product are not related to this forum topic, that 1 the moderator shuld be take action!

[surfaddict]

It become a spam when the person that promote their product just make a single post on promotion. Not actively involved in this forum.

Maybe we can create some rule before somebody can promote their product or visible their signature. They must reach certain amount of post before their signature can visible to others and promote their product.

[mysticmind]

I delete spams everyday.. from 3 - 15!
some of it might be 'terlepas pandang'.
please use report to moderator button.. Tq.

[vincevincevince]

I agree that there is an unacceptable level of spam here. The line between commerical promotion and spam is unfortunately very fine... that is why it is best that all commerical promotion be banned apart from in the http://www.webmastermalaysia.com/forumdisplay.php?f=20 forum. That includes removing affiliate links and links to affiliate sites from signatures!

I also think it would be good to have more of the active members given the ability to move threads to the http://www.webmastermalaysia.com/forumdisplay.php?f=20 forum ... not a full moderator power, just something limited to help out in keeping this place clean!

[surfaddict]

bro mysticmind,

i'll report it to you because you're so much 'in love' with spammer. Don't worry, we will help you..bro 'kepala merah'

[limcs]

Hi guys, sorry for participating this thread late.

We probably need a very "sound" policy (because I think the existing rules and faq is not clear and conscise enough) on what is allowed, and what isnt.

Second of all, we need a more active moderating team (currently, there are only me and mysticmind whom active a bit).

Thanks for starting this thread though, in which we can discuss on some spamming issue:

1) Removing of all non-webmaster related services?

2) Absolutely no affiliate links allowed?

3) No selling/buying of PayPal fund?

4) More active members as moderator to help moderating?

[Coolio]

I would hang around here more, if there are more useful posts....but at the moment, I dont really think so.

[vincevincevince]

1) Removing of all non-webmaster related services?
This makes perfect sense... this is webmastermalaysia
2) Absolutely no affiliate links allowed?
Allow them in the Other Webmaster-related Services and Promotion section, if you must allow them at all
3) No selling/buying of PayPal fund?
This is not a question or an option! It is illegal under Malaysian law and in clear breach of Paypal's TOS. Allowing it to continue puts the whole site at risk of being shut down...
4) More active members as moderator to help moderating?
Limited powers can really help active members to keep the forum clean - don't worry - they can always be removed if abused

Overall...
...getting rid of the rubbish will mean that when anyone, a member or a guest, comes to read the forum - they see good on-topic content. Because they didn't just see spam and self- or affilate promotion by members, they will reply to the on-topic content, and they will know this is a place to add their own quality posts and honest questions.

[MENJ]

Originally Posted by limcs

3) No selling/buying of PayPal fund?

Do not agree with this at all. It is a pretty well known fact that those without cards such as Accent or VMI cannot withdraw their funds from their account so why must this be banned? Even LowYatt.Net is doing this quite openly, as well as other Malaysian webmaster/blogging forums. It is not fair for those who don't have the means to withdraw their money to be barred from selling it.

- MENJ

[vincevincevince]

It is not fair for those who don't have the means to withdraw their money to be barred from selling it.

It might not be fair, but that's the law. It would be much more unfair if the authorities shut down webmastermalaysia for being involved in illegal currency trading, because then ALL OF US would lose out on the resource.

[Coolio]

It might not be fair, but that's the law.

I would think so. Part of the reason why Malaysia is classified high fraud in banking/financial sector is due to lax laws and enforcement. This has led to alot of online companies also blacklisting Msia as well. In this region, Malaysia is regarded less online and offline compared to most of our neighbours..I can only wonder "why". In fact not too long ago, many Malaysians got banned in forums/chatrooms and the issue made some headlines?

This 'Malaysia Boleh" and "Tidak Apa" attitudes can sometimes be taken overboard..

[MENJ]

Originally Posted by vincevincevince

It might not be fair, but that's the law. It would be much more unfair if the authorities shut down webmastermalaysia for being involved in illegal currency trading, because then ALL OF US would lose out on the resource.

Well LowYatt.net and MalaysiaBloggers.com would have been shut down a long time ago if this were true, so no need to be paranoid about this. I stand by my decision not to support any move to ban selling/buying of PayPal funds. I know how hard it was to get the funds transferred before and I will not wish it upon anyone else to experience the same.

- MENJ

[yipguseng]

limcs, is there anyways to limit the max characters input to mayb 2 - 3 lines or 200 - 300 characters for those who have less then 5 post just like what u did to prevent the url spamming? if this can be done, i think the spamming could be reduce...

i m not in a position to talk about paypal..

[calvynlee]

Originally Posted by limcs

3) No selling/buying of PayPal fund?

well guys, i will not agree to banned this topic, since alot of us need to use pay pal fund! but according to

It might not be fair, but that's the law.

i suggest the owner and the administrator to find out ist really agains the law or not before banned this topic!

[vincevincevince]

Here are two recent extracts from the news. My comments are in italic below each.

October 15th 2006:
In JOHOR BAHRU, a medical hall operator was fined RM50,000 in default three years' jail by the Sessions Court here Wednesday for conducting an unlicensed money changer operations.
...On the first charge, he was fined RM40,000 in default two years' jail for selling S$47 equivalent to RM100 to a client. ...

Me: S$47 into RM100... so that's about US$27. i.e. change US$27 into RM then expect a fine of 50,000 or two years jail.

September 8th 2006:
...the central bank had acted tough to stem the illegal money changing trade... there were 38 investigations involving unlicensed money changing under Section 4(1) of the Money Changing Act ... and 14 cases involving the transfer of funds out of Malaysia either for a third party or for the moneychanger himself under Section 30.

Me: With the central bank getting tough on illegal money changing, and recent cases involving both the straight unlicensed changing of money, as well as just the act of sending the funds out of the country - using PayPal (abroad) to bring RM out of the country through illegal money changing is clearly out of the question.

Some people may not like the fact that they can't do this but it is still the law, and it still puts WebmasterMalaysia.com in a dangerous position. If someone highlights this to the central bank then it could quickly be goodbye forum.