pertanyaan tentang colocation dan dedicated server

[smartidea]

hello saya ingin bertanya tentang colocation dan dedicated server

apa beza nya buat colocation di malaysia dan begitu jugak buat dedicated server di luar negara

saya ada tengok dekat mesrahosting.net di mana colocation dia harga murah dah saya berminat buat colocation dekat sana masalah nye ramai yang kata provider malaysia kebanyakan services dan servers selalu down , dan bagai mana pulak dengan colocation di netmyne , satu persoalan lagi kepada webmaster yang buat hosting services control panel yang mana yang lebih baik cpanel atau directadmin , sebab jika directadmin dan buat colocation dekat malaysia harga directadmin lebih murah dari cpanel

jika buat dedicated di luar negara seperti liquidweb atau theplanet harga agak mahal sebulan sampai $199 dan setahun mesti dalam Rm dah cecah dekat Rm10k , tapi ramai kata server ok , laju services ok dan baik cpanel free

pertanyaan yang terakhir domain reseller dekat mana yang bagus . enom , onlinenic atau directi

di harap web hosting provider yang sedia ada dapat membantu dalam persoalan ini untuk melahirkan satu lagi provider hosting malaysia dimasa depan ma kasih

[Filuren]

The difference is your cost, bandwidth and speed. But miliseconds is not something I mind as for downtime, I don't think it's that bad; do they?

You can get a very high end server for $199 offshore but not locals. Heard they charge deposits for colocation.

DA vs Cpanel. Both are good but customers mostly like Cpanel by it's interface except they don't know it's causing us lots of money for license fee and high process in the server.

Enom has black listed new reseller from Malaysia don't they?

[animorphs]

Overseas = high ping and laggy (Especially when tmnuts stmix backbone to US gets congested, it happens at least once almost every week.)

Local = low ping and fast (It's something like a LAN all ISPs in Malaysia lease their backbone/ bandwidth from TMnet)

I would go for local colocated servers. You've to cari "lobang" if you want cheap colocation local. Means knowing contact with the IDC staffs.

1U rack server rental ranging from RM 200 - 300 per month. You've to do your own home work.

Enom still accepts Malaysian as their domain reseller. You've to fax over your documents to them. Give them an email they'll guide you on the process.

Regarding the DirectAdmin vs cPanel, paying so much for an outdated cPanel which features are almost the same as DirectAdmin is a silly thing in my opinion. Fantastico? Why pay more when you have Installatron. ^_*

[gethosted]

colocation
if your server have hardware fault then you need to drive to the data centre and change the part.
you are sharing 2Mbps bandwidth with the whole rack (what i heard, not to be confirm)

dedicated server
if you done your home work, you may get the provider with SLA - 100% network uptime gurantee, 2 hours gurantee hardware replacement.
connection will be little slower and if you can get a west coast server (you will get the neartest provider to Malaysia) i do not feel any difference if just web browsing and emailing.

DA and Cpanel both are great control panel. I used both but prefer DA. (my personal opinion)

go for directi. they offer cheaper prices. never used onlinenic.

lastly, good luck looking for a provider.

[Filuren]

Why do you always spell "lubang" as "lobang"?
Ping time are just average above good. It's not that bad if miliseconds counts. Considering streamyx user are going through Hotmail & Yahoo everyday which is an oversea Server.

Techically DA is faster and cheaper. But many people are still looking for CP Hosting. Although it's costly, people like it. They'll find alternatives tho..

For webmasters, DA/CP/PLESK/WEBMIN doesn't matter for them as they understand how things work.

[neutro]

Yes I do agree with animorphs - when TmNet pipe to Verio got clogged after raya/deepavali holiday, users complaining why the server was slow. Well we had to teach them how to use tracert in order to put the blame on TmNet. Well normal users tend to think that internet connection is rather singular - straight line to server (scratch my head)

When Streamyx DNS server got screwed, it was hell for us to inform users to temporarily changed to - the reliable timenet dns server. But rather strange (i have to ask dns expert) local sites at local datacenters were not effected at all. It was funny too. If you got a new signup , it took forever for Streamyx dns to update the new location of a domain name. Sometimes it will point back to the old server for short while and users will see 404 error page not found and blame your server. Same for Jaring, we had to call and open support ticket in order to update dns when we got new signups. Thanks god the hell is over now.. (yes ,we even taught our new customers to flush their dns cache lol - but did not help)

Local server yes when you ftp to your virtual account as if you are sending file thru Wan. The loading of the pages reside in local server tends to be a little bit faster (but depends on how you configure/powerful your server ) if an overloaded celery of course it is going to be crawling.

Although connection to local datacenter is rather fast, but the reliability is not the same with USA datacenter (warning! not all USA datacenter have good uptime and support) - in this case I compare with Theplanet. With Theplanet you can achieve 100% uptime in a month (except the months you have to reboot in order to load a new kernel) and hoping that you did not toy with your server and cause downtime. This is because the planet has more than 10 of gigabytes connection and redundant power backup.(another example would be ev1). As far of local datacenters.. there is no unannounced downtime.. but the announced is rather unacceptable. There will be 2 hr power downtime for Netmyne due to upgrade in the middle of this month. As for Myloca based on uptime record they have even more frequent annouced downtime. - Just tag siteuptime to local sites which using local datacenters and you'll notice or check at netcraft.

As for West coast server. Yeah ping is a lot faster cause it is the first hop when our connection reach USA after crossing the vast sea. Pick any good datacenters etc from Seattle or other providers but do not get cheap server at managed.com

Another alternative would be Singapore server. They have good ping too. You have to ask around. We have big pipes going down south and Timenet backbone going thru Singtel before going to USA.

If you site is only cater for local audience and you want fast SPEED pick local. If you want less connection/dns problem too - choose local datacenter.. If you site audience is worldwide.. choose USA datacenter.. If you want more uptime reliability choose USA (plus if the server is managed is even better)

but the most important factor is the server is not overloaded and tuned. If you have an overloaded server no matter where you put even in you own room the connection will be awful.

As for domain reseller .. just pick the cheapest you can get and easy to top up. enom accepts malaysians just open a support ticket and the staff would contact you on how to sign up with them. Do check other registars as well their pricing is rather competitive as well.

As for control panel pick the one you think that is right for you. All CPs have their own problems and bugs. Pick the one you think you can handle and you have most experience with.

[smartidea]

thanks all for maklumat yang diberi , so keseluruhannye kalau buat local colocation atau dedicated server tak berapa terjamin dan selalu ada problem

posted by gethosted

colocation
if your server have hardware fault then you need to drive to the data centre and change the part.
you are sharing 2Mbps bandwidth with the whole rack (what i heard, not to be confirm)

so kalau misalnya orang tu duduk jauh dari semenanjung ( sebab datacenter banyak dekat sana kan ) macam sarawak atau sabah kena turun sendiri dekat sana atau ada solutions dari pihak provider dan betul ke benda ni (you are sharing 2Mbps bandwidth with the whole rack )

satu persoalan lagi dekat overseas harga dedicated USD$199 sebulan dan terjamin dari segala aspek , masalahnya dekat sini ramai saya nampak hosting company dekat malaysia yang sewa server dekat overseas tak kira la dari theplanet atau liquidweb ev1 fastservers letak harga murah dan space besar , Contoh 1GB space for RM199 per year dan jika company tu ada 100 client yang beli package yang sama 1GB space RM199 per year bermaksud 1GB x 100 Client = 100GB space ( jika company itu mempunyai HDD 120GB space dan baki 20GB mungkin digunakan untuk tujuan lain ) telah digunakan dan jumlah yang diperolehi RM19k tolak dengan jumlah harga sewa server selama setahun RM9074.4 - RM19000 = RM9925.6 JUMLAH bersih ( rate 1USD = RM3.80 ) ini tidak dikira tolak rent office juak company tu rent the office sebab saya tahu ada jugak home offices base bila start buat biz , bill telefon , eletrik , gaji pekerja , jadi saya nak tanya apa solution atau pendekatan yang provider malaysia buat untuk memberikan perkhidmatan yang murah dengan space yang besar

[gethosted]

so kalau misalnya orang tu duduk jauh dari semenanjung ( sebab datacenter banyak dekat sana kan ) macam sarawak atau sabah kena turun sendiri dekat sana atau ada solutions dari pihak provider)

you also can find dedicated provider in local Malaysia. They will take care of your server hardware faulty.

betul ke benda ni (you are sharing 2Mbps bandwidth with the whole rack )

you must ask your potential provider. i heard this a while ago and you need to reconfirm with your provider

satu persoalan lagi dekat overseas harga dedicated USD$199 sebulan dan terjamin dari segala aspek , masalahnya dekat sini ramai saya nampak hosting company dekat malaysia yang sewa server dekat overseas tak kira la dari theplanet atau liquidweb ev1 fastservers letak harga murah dan space besar , Contoh 1GB space for RM199 per year dan jika company tu ada 100 client yang beli package yang sama 1GB space RM199 per year bermaksud 1GB x 100 Client = 100GB space ( jika company itu mempunyai HDD 120GB space dan baki 20GB mungkin digunakan untuk tujuan lain ) telah digunakan dan jumlah yang diperolehi RM19k tolak dengan jumlah harga sewa server selama setahun RM9074.4 - RM19000 = RM9925.6 JUMLAH bersih ( rate 1USD = RM3.80 ) ini tidak dikira tolak rent office juak company tu rent the office sebab saya tahu ada jugak home offices base bila start buat biz , bill telefon , eletrik , gaji pekerja , jadi saya nak tanya apa solution atau pendekatan yang provider malaysia buat untuk memberikan perkhidmatan yang murah dengan space yang besar

you must have a proper business plan before commerce any kind of business. good luck

[neutro]

Originally posted by smartidea
[b]thanks all for maklumat yang diberi , so keseluruhannye kalau buat local colocation atau dedicated server tak berapa terjamin dan selalu ada problem

posted by gethosted

colocation
if your server have hardware fault then you need to drive to the data centre and change the part.
you are sharing 2Mbps bandwidth with the whole rack (what i heard, not to be confirm)

so kalau misalnya orang tu duduk jauh dari semenanjung ( sebab datacenter banyak dekat sana kan ) macam sarawak atau sabah kena turun sendiri dekat sana atau ada solutions dari pihak provider dan betul ke benda ni (you are sharing 2Mbps bandwidth with the whole rack )

Memang ada kebenaran tentang fakta ini.. itulah ada unmetered bandwith di Malaysia .. sebab paipnya yang tak besar itu.. nak "tekan" (burst) tak boleh. Itulah mereka berani kata ada unmetered. Cariklah provider yang rack dia guna paip besar sikitd dari 2 Meg. Setiap rack berbeza beza paipnya contohnya 20 atau 30 Meg shared rack.. (yang kata boleh burst sampai 150 meg tu "berangan" jer - cuma backbones TmNet ke international links - bankrupt lah nak bagi semua. server burst sampai 155Mbps) bandwidth tu mahal..

Kalau nak co-lo beli hardware baik 2 dan ada jaminan.. (guarantee) so tak de lah lintang pukang pergi dc kalau hard disk "kong" (failed)

kalau managed server kat USA - call sajer kalau ada apa2 yang rosak spt cable, hard disk "terlangkup" diorang boleh betulkan.


Hosting ni competetive busines. Setiap company ada business plan dia sendiri. Kenalah pandai plan

smartidea good luck with your hosting business.

[Filuren]

there's something called "fully managed" and "self-managed" server. You pay more to get full managed server. Hardware can be costly but your business is in control.

yang lain tu.. marketing talk ler. macam tengah debate tu.. http://www.webhostingtalk.com.my/ind...=15&#entry1843