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[sampride]

This obviously is an over overselling.......

[hstan]

Is this consider advertisement? Should not be allow right? Haha I learn something.

[fivio]

Hello,

Whau, can I buy it and make it as my 6th backup solution ? :P

Ops ... seems the mykelantan is the reseller of bluehost using affliate.

Thank you,

[hstan]

i think most of overseas site now are in the trend of selling 50G space....

[michaelfoo]

Looks like MyKelantan's domain is only masking Bluehost's affliate URL.

Since you asked for opinion here, I guess the following posts about Bluehost should help:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=556803
Bluehost problems.. am I the only one?? - WebHostingTalk Forums

Looks like their heavy overselling is giving some clients issues.

Mr.Tan: The phenomenon in US is also quite similar to Malaysia. There are also established hosting providers in US who decide to stay with the "standard price". Hostgator is a reputable good host that I know that stays with the "standard" price.

ps: Of course there are also positive feedback on Bluehost. However, when I do a research for any hosting companies, I will read the negative feedbacks on them, afterall you learn nothing from the praising of customers but only from the sour feedback from their clients.

Thanks.

[fivio]

Hello,

Hstan :
You are seeing the lower market of the webhosting. If you do more research you can find that the standard price for USA is higher than our standard pricing.

Thank you,

[hstan]

hi,

i think big one is also giving the same space... see godaddy, 100G space, 1000G Transfer, free US25 Adwords , only US6.29 monthly or RM23 / month or 280 yearly ...

[fivio]

Dear Hstan,

It is because godaddy have domain registration business to back the package.
Can you promote such package ? No, because the cost is much more than your revenue.

The big boys can do this because they can play the probability of overselling. They can invest more is something happen which most of us could not do it immedietely.

Thank you,

[michaelfoo]

Originally Posted by fivio

Dear Hstan,

It is because godaddy have domain registration business to back the package.
Can you promote such package ? No, because the cost is much more than your revenue.

The big boys can do this because they can play the probability of overselling. They can invest more is something happen which most of us could not do it immedietely.

Thank you,

I agree with you.

Anyways, Godaddy is only the big player in domain name. They are not the big player of hosting services.

Thanks.

[hstan]

what i try to show is there is quite some player in us doing so... another one is 1and1 .. doing the same thing also... there is very competitive in this area of biz at US .... the advantage is at consumers... and i would say it is healthy sign.. compare here.. where in many industry there are only little provider that monopolize the market and sometimes make the market of hosting cannot move... people in develop country .. most of them (of cause there is also some bad provider) , size doesnt matter, you need 100G, no problem ... stability is a must ! .. but in there.. mostly still talking about size ...

[michaelfoo]

Originally Posted by hstan

what i try to show is there is quite some player in us doing so... another one is 1and1 .. doing the same thing also... there is very competitive in this area of biz at US .... the advantage is at consumers... and i would say it is healthy sign.. compare here.. where in many industry there are only little provider that monopolize the market and sometimes make the market of hosting cannot move... people in develop country .. most of them (of cause there is also some bad provider) , size doesnt matter, you need 100G, no problem ... stability is a must ! .. but in there.. mostly still talking about size ...

Hi Mr.Tan,
First of all, no offence. This is not targetted at you.

I heard of their name as domain player (just like Godaddy) but not really Web Hosting. I did a search on them in WHT and immediately I got this result: 1and1hell.com - Index There are also some not-so-favouring reviews on them as well, but seeing the client who actually bought that domain to be against them, it proves how frustrated their clients are:
It's bad... and I'm moving... - WebHostingTalk Forums
Avoid 1&1 Internet - WebHostingTalk Forums
why my 1&1 is so slow? plz help~~~ - WebHostingTalk Forums
DONT EVEN TRY 1AND1 ( 1and1.com ) - WebHostingTalk Forums
1and1 down? - WebHostingTalk Forums
1and1 caution - WebHostingTalk Forums

Mr.Tan, I believe both fivio and I are trying to say that big successful web hosting players do not do overselling. I usually find stability issues (not just my own opinion, you can see the few companies that you named them here came up with nasty feedback on them in WHT) incorporated with oversellers.

This issue has been discussed in MYWHT before few years back, and filuren used the MAS-AirAsia Theory for web hosting, but I am still firm at my own opinion that web hosting is not a one time sales like air ticket. Web hosting requires a lot of after sales service that is impossible to be kept on par without solid revenue.

Like what fivio said, "They can invest more is something happen which most of us could not do it immedietely."

Thanks.

[hstan]

hi Michael,

Although I personally still don't know what is their strategy is and how their business plan look like..

And one thing that I have to say is, there is no one marketing plan that can fufil all of their customer .. otherwise, other hosting company don't need to do business If anybody can find this plan also, please share to me Just that we want to get a plan that gain the most profit and the less satisfaction to the customer. Sometime those customer that is not drop to your target, getting your service, of cause he/she will compliant, because it totally out of the expectation ! Or it would be act of their competitor, who knows? Anyway, I am not pro to those godaddy or 1&1, but the fact is 1&1 is still holding 1.42+ million of domains, if the compliant that you found is only 100 person (let say), then the figure is only 0.007% failure rate.

One more thing, I totally disagree with you said, one time strategy for AirAsia-Mas case. Airasia main focus is Malaysia. If there is only one time strategy, AirAsia wont be able to survive.... How many malaysian only take flight? Their strategy is not one time, it is to encourage people to try and make sure there is return customer after try the free ticket. I think all the marketers would have to agree with me, maintaining customer is many times esier then finding new customer!

That's my opinions.

Thank you.

[michaelfoo]

Originally Posted by hstan

One more thing, I totally disagree with you said, one time strategy for AirAsia-Mas case. Airasia main focus is Malaysia. If there is only one time strategy, AirAsia wont be able to survive.... How many malaysian only take flight? Their strategy is not one time, it is to encourage people to try and make sure there is return customer after try the free ticket. I think all the marketers would have to agree with me, maintaining customer is many times esier then finding new customer!

You've misunderstood me.

I did not mean that there is no returning customer for air ticket, neither did I point that to Airasia. I was trying to explain that, for air ticket, you pay the price of the ticket that you receive their service for a short duration: from you enter the plane, it takes off till it lands and you leave the plane. That's it.

However, for web hosting, you pay for the service and you expect the provider to service you until you leave them. The duration is certainly longer for web hosting companies.

Furthermore, in my opinion, a plane takes off regardless it is empty or filled up with passengers, with the approximately same expense (same number of air crew, fuel, food & drink, misc... etc) so you can only make profit if you can fill up the plane. For web hosting, filling up a server will definitely put you in trouble. Not to forget the more clients you have, the more employees you need to recruit. You can hardly grow if you earn only a few bucks from each client per month.

Last but not least, it is undeniable that AirAsia makes more profit that MAS. However, in terms of customer service, I believe MAS is still better (sorry, I have not tried AirAsia before) as at MAS, you don't have to pay for food & drinks and even small refreshment. If you are willing to upgrade your ticket, you get to relax in the nice business lounge while waiting for your flight.

Thank you!

Edit: Quoting from my previous post:

This issue has been discussed in MYWHT before few years back, and filuren used the MAS-AirAsia Theory for web hosting, but I am still firm at my own opinion that web hosting is not a one time sales like air ticket. Web hosting requires a lot of after sales service that is impossible to be kept on par without solid revenue.

I admit that my sentence wasn't complete and you quoted just the first half of my sentence. If you read the whole sentence until the end of that paragraph, I believe I have re-elaborated it again in this post. TQ!

[hstan]

ok. Got it. BTW, their motto is to allow every fly... and this is demand of the market right now... (mostly) ... btw, airasia svs is not tht bad through ... other thn flight delay and no food .. haha...