Hi all

I bought a couple of ebooks from foreign or local internet marketers with regard to internet business. After reading all these books, I would say I have no idea where to start and I get more confused. Reason being different internet marketers have their own ways of making money and they don't guide you step by step!

Anybody out there could give me a rough idea where shall I start?

Many thanks for your guidance.

I wonder that is buying ebooks from foreign or local internet marketers with regard to internet business effective in order to do internet business?

Or no need to buy? As there could be free ebooks or articles.

Ok.. here's the deal ... most of the info you read in those ebooks can be obtained on the web for free (well, the info might be scattered over hundreds of websites tho).

Do you have a website yet? What type of business? Selling products? Ecommerce?

You do need to know at least HTML. If you can't build your own site, then you have to get help... and that's not cheap.

You can earn money a lot of ways... selling ur own product/service, PPC advertisements, affiliate marketing etc.

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Look for the idea that suited in your situation. Go for the trial and error stage. Try out every one of their way, see which one work for you and stick with it.

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That's the problem when all the required information scattered over few hundreds of websites! Personally I think that's why we got so many people selling these kinds of products or you may call it recycled information.

I don't have a website yet. But am planning to have one. Thinking of starting from promoting other people's products first. Thought that may be more advisable.

I will definitely give it a try!

Don't do it like those 'pros' and try to create sites just to earn some fast money (you can try it later when you hv more experience - some don't even have websites, they just buy ads that links to the product page thru their affiliate code, and some create so called product 'review' or 'comparison' site, but actually all the review products are their affiliate products - and they cleverly hide their affiliate links with scripts, so ppl do not know they actually clicked on affiliate links to go to the actual product site - that's the way they earn commissions --- they don't promote other ppl's products directly, they do it the sneaky way)

Anyway, back to the topic, you should start out by developing a site around one theme/topic/interest.... learn search engine oprtimization, learn how to promote your site ---- so the basics are write lots of useful content and try to attract as much traffic as possible (if you join affiliate programs or adsense - you won't get much if you do not have traffic..... unless you are willing to buy traffic thru adwords, and that's risky for beginners)

Here is a list of basic things to do:
1. Find a topic of interest (ur hobby, work, talent etc)
2. Create your site (with SEO)
3. Add contents regularly (useful and original contents)
4. Promote your site (directories, link exchange etc)
5. Add contents regularly (useful and original contents)
6. Monetization - Promote affiliate products, Adense, banners etc etc
7. Add contents regularly (useful and original contents) -- you should get my drift now


Note that there are tricks you need to learn to do well with affiliate programs or adsense - hiding affiliate links, writing effective sales copy, adsense optimization, attracting adsense high-paying-keywords etc etc..... You'll learn that very soon


PS:
I'll give u one example of very good affiliate marketing haha... go to google and search for "web hosting review" and check out those "Sponsored Links", the so called top 10 webhosting review/comparison etc. Those sites have nothing but only so called reviews and ranking of the best web hosting companies ...... and when you want to click to visit a particular ACTUAL webhosting company, you actually click thru their affiliate link and a cookie will be set on your PC but of course you won't know because the affiliate links are "hidden", once you sign up for the webhosting, the review site will get BIG commission..... u still think they give unbiased reviews?

Btw, everytime you click on the sponsored links on Google ... the "review" site will pay abt USD22.34 ~ 27.93 to Google (nearly RM100 per click....thats the current bid and cost for advertising the phrase "web hosting review" on Google) ... they pay so much for every click yet they give free reviews and advise?? Think again! They are just trying to earn commission .. since they still exist, it seems to be a very profitable way to earn money too.

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Is there any problem about that? If you can make money from that, just do it.

What you mean by that? All affiliate marketers do it this way

Good advice for newbie

You assume they pay that much by looking at adwords bid. usually it lower than that. If that particular ads appeared for a long time, it's mean their ctr is higher so thay pay less. And also that keyword is profitable, so it convert better.

this statement contradict with your advice to newbie that they need to build content based website and get good ranking in search engine. Write a lot of articles, doing seo and so on. Than why you give an example for website that bring traffic using adwords.

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Did I say there's anything wrong with that? I didn't make any conclusion ... it's up to everyone to decide
But I did asked the beginners not to try it, and think about it only they get more experience.

As for the example, I'm not encouraging newbies to do that ..... i'm just telling how some 'pro' affiliate markerters do it ................... and also to let others know how to differentiate the so called 'REVIEW' sites run by affiliate marketers behind the scene..... just an eye-opener.

Yes, I know the adwords price may not be always that high depending on other factors ....and also Google 'smart pricing' might kick in to reduce a bit of the cost for the advertiser.... but even if it gets a bit lower... it's still VERY high for most other ppl.

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Fyi, I published software b4 and love those affiliate marketers who have brought revenue for me .... i gave them 40% commission .... and I'm now also affiliate of a number of other software publishers....so, I have nothing against affiliate markerters, it's up to them which 'method' they want to use to market their affiliate products, as long as it's not against the TOS of the affiliate network.

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So when they will learn if they not willing to try it. Everything has a risk. You must take a risk to be successful.

If others has been succeed doing it, why not will follow them. They must doing something right. Your advice make some noob confuse. Which method should they follow.

If you spend $20 and get $50. Will you care about paying high for that keyword? Not for me, cause I get $30 profit from that.

Is it smart pricing effect adsense publisher not adwords advertiser?

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Smart pricing affects BOTH adwords and adsense ....adsense publishers get less per click and adwords pay less per click.

I only advice beginners to learn and get experience b4 spending money to buy traffic ... that's very reasonable. Are you sure beginners should jump rite in and try arbitrage when they are just learning to build a website or don't even know how to setup adsense account yet? Haha.... well, up to them to decide.

The things i reveal abt the affiliate marketers is just for info .. and I did advice the noobs to gain experience and concentrate on building contents first....nothing confusing.

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They need to take that risk otherwise they will not learn anything. your advice for them to build content website is good, but as you know it will take years for traffic to come and some income to get. When traffic is good and they enjoying great income, suddenly search engine alter their algorithm and all traffic is gone, what happen to their income, from hero to zero. Pity on them. I know, i've been through this.

They start finding another way to get that income back. They start buying whole of bullshit making money ebook and still they cannot making any dollar from that ebooks. So what your advice to them? Still concentrate on that type of website?

Why not they learn new ways of making money from internet.

for example:
- collect lead and sell it
- build list and promote affiliate program to that list (Clickbank)
- promote cpa networks, maybe ringtone
- bum marketing
- 5 to 10 pages mini website promoting adsense, a lot of them maybe 100 mini website that inter connect with each other (virtual real estate)
- incentive website
- freebies website
- ecommerce website using dropshipping
- ecommerce website using datafeed
- sell crappy ebooks
- membership website
- ebay
- adsense arbitrage/chitika arbitrage
- sell services like landing page design, blog template design

What newbie want to know which type of money making website they should concentrate and get consistent income from that. They do not worry about their traffic, whether their ranking is good or not in search engine. Even 100 visitors per day is enough if they can get good income from that traffic.

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I think we should segregate the issue of internet business model and the methods of attracting traffic. As what I have read in this thread so far, probably this two things have been mixed up, correct me, if I am wrong.

I agree with Jawa that that commercially it is no risk no reward, so newbie should not be afraid of trying out methods which require investment in terms of money and time. So long as we set a budget for that in particular financial wise.

Having said so, I think it is also very crucial for newbie to acquire the basic skills mentioned by Yong in his earlier post.

Some of the ebooks I have read advised that for newbie starting out in internet business, they should start from affiliate marketing selling other people's products instead of creating their own products. I think this is more on the model of internet business, rite?

But in order to succeed, newbie has to learn how to attract traffic, that basically involves marketing and hence google adwords, email marketing and etc...

So in total, newbies have to :-

a) decide on the model of internet business (preferably affiliate marketing)
b) start learning methods of promoting in order to succeed


It the above conclusion correct?

Yes, what I meant was to acquire the basic skills, if you don't have the basic skills you still won't be able to use the marketing methods recommended by jawa effectively. You still need to know how to run a website, how adwords/adsense works, how affiliate networks work, javascript etc.......... Then it's up to you which of the methods to choose from .... i presume those methods are already in the ebooks you've got anyway ....but they don't teach you the basics like javascript, php, css rite?


One more thing...Google seems to be clamping down on MFA sites and arbitrage soon.

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I don't worry about that cause my adsense arbitrage is different from anybody else, even Google give me more money than what I'm paying to them...

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