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Old 06-07-2004, 03:55 PM
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Not to offend anyone......

I felt that many web sifu's in Malaysia tend to have the mentality of seeking existing scripts (either server or client script) instead of writing one on your own. Many from the western or developed nation takes the innitiative to write their own libraries or scripts, but we have the tendency to rely or depend on them. Thats why I think many fresh IT grad in Malaysia still hard to find a job and at the same time there are lots of company hiring programmers from India or China.

I dont think Malaysian are not as capable as those guys from the developed nation, I just think most Malaysian's brain are just too lazy. I know we are not as fortunate as those people but I think we are much better than those living in India, they can do it why can't we?

Really love to hear some thoughts from all of you.
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Old 07-07-2004, 01:42 AM
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how bout "die in fire" !

er.. true true, most malaysians are lazy. they all want to be the same as others. tiru2 and all.

bah, its 1.42am, i cant really think straight at the moment.
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Old 07-07-2004, 08:30 AM
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yes it's unfortunately true and i totally agree with you. but why only "web sifu's"? what is a web sifu anyway? everybody's learning something from someone else, right? this is another 'malaysian' mentality, the inferiority complex - where you think when you're new at something and another person isn't, that other person is magically a 'sifu' and he knows everything and anything. but how did he learn in the first place?

everytime i type the url webmastermalaysia.com, i'd usually make a typo where i'll type "webmastermalas.com" instead. then i'd say 'oops' and silently laugh at myself and at the coincidence of it all. heheh.
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Old 08-07-2004, 02:58 PM
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ntah... no comment..

tapi kalau pasal kita hire org india ngan cina, sbb diorang tak demand gaji tinggi. itu je lah
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Old 08-07-2004, 10:21 PM
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ntah... no comment..

tapi kalau pasal kita hire org india ngan cina, sbb diorang tak demand gaji tinggi. itu je lah

I am sorry but thats not all true. The last company I work with spent RM 10k per month to hire two programmers from India for one year contract and then about 3500 per month on another one for a permenant basis.
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Old 21-07-2004, 04:28 PM
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oh... ic... my company hire 2 indian only spent 2-3k for this two buddy
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Old 21-07-2004, 07:48 PM
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hahaha....

But is there any other country want to hire Malaysian Programmers with salary as much as 10K?
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Old 21-07-2004, 10:06 PM
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it's depend by yourself lah!..

Mostly malas-ian student / grad one.. berlagak macam bagus!

Only a sijil paper the demand like having a 10 years experience!.

Just told to do only a guest pun dont know lah!..

but i dont doubt there's still a good programer in mlysia.. like someone here thus get paid about (USD 2500) RM10,000 per month.. Just working online..
You know who?.. Seek it babeh!

and dont forget to ask him HOW
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Not all Malaysian programmers are like that. Me for one don't like copying people's code, don't have confidence in them. I just fire up my PFE (Programmer's File Editor) and start coding. Learned Java on my own (an Electrical Engineering grad from UM) and can say I'm one of the best... he he he...

Sometimes the amount you get paid is not relative to your skills. No offence towards the person mentioned by mysticmind, I don't who you are. Just something that I saw before especially foreigners who say they know and can do this and that but can be beaten flat by one of my students (my subordinate taught by me)... :P
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Old 22-07-2004, 08:51 PM
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y reinvent the wheel? think like a software engineer, not a hacker.
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Old 24-07-2004, 03:15 AM
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i think.. the another thing is..
Malaysian want something that have a PACKAGE.

Maybe same about a singer.. thus have a good voice and talented but not have a commercial face. = not successfully.

but thus have a package - face, voice, talents, body etc = more successfully.

It's not a wrong thing actually. Just Malaysian is high taste person.


So.. JUST A SKILL is not a guarantee for you to got what u like. U need a PACKAGE.
Even you is super duper programer.. but u dont have the another part. U still nothing?.

Like this. : a Superb C++ or software developement. Yes, if she/he is a really really good programer, but! if the software created bad looking in design etc.. I think he/she still not GOOD right? .

The another part again. u need something to be your KillerSong. Killer part!. Example = if a web programer = u must have a really good website, not only to show your skill, but to promote yourself too.

Before blaming another, we should make a research.. why and what etc.. or at least.. try to be the best.

Eh.. i think wanna tell a story.

" Seorang indonesia, yang datang ke malaysia menaiki tongkang, susah dan payah nak sampai ke malaysia.
Kemudian dia pun sampai dan mendapat kerja di ladang. Walaupun tanpa permit yang sah, dia dapat kerja dengan bayaran lebih kurang RM300.00 sebulan.

RM 300 sebulan sebenarnya adalah amat mewah di negara mereka. Sebab mereka cuma memerlukan sekitar RM 80 - RM 100 sebulan sahaja disana. Berbeza di malaysia RM 300.00 tuh pada asalnya tidak ada apa sangat nak di hairankan.

Beberapa puluh tahun kemudian, persepsi orang atau majikan berubah, dan melihat lebih mudah bagi mereka untuk menggunakan buruh orang asing berbanding orang sendiri. Ini kerana ada kalanya kerana mereka2 ini mudah berkira berbanding orang tempatan.

Lazimnya mereka ini lebih menghargai kerja yang diberi dan ada kalanya tak kisah sangat gaji tak dibayar awal.
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Sebenarnya fenomena nih bukan saja jadi kat negara kita malaysia. Even di UK dan us... sebenarnya kat sana, Indian sangat ramai bekerja menjadi programer disana. Dan ada kalanya gaji mereka juga adalah lebih tinggi dari Orang Putih disana!!? Tak percaya? Kalau korang buka adobe photoshop yang glamer tuh.. korang nampak tak beberapa nama programer dari india? Believe it or not? Believe it!
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what a true story...
hish.. hish.. hish..

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Old 07-08-2004, 07:50 PM
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mamat mystic sowang nih kalau bab bercerita huh cam nak hape!

Tapi betul lah...
ade yg aku interview ari tu... aku tanya dier

'kamu tau programming?'
- 'tahu'

'apa language yang kamu tau?'
- 'C,C++,VB' <--- ok la tu

'masa praktikal projek apa kamu buat?'
- 'huuu banyak en.' <--- tah pape dia membebel

'design software apa yang kamu tau guna? senang cerita mahir lah'
- 'photoshop, illustrator, flash, director' <-- tah ape2 lagi lah dia bebel

'biasanya kalau buat animasi awak guna ape?'
- 'saya guna flash'

'selain animasi, apa lagi flash boleh buat?'
- 'huuu banyak en. programming pun boleh'

'ye ke? (soklan trick) apa bahasa yang di gunakan kat dlm flash tu?'
-'vb en'

'Oooo bagus2 (aduih la mamat nih)'
- 'tersenyum dier....'

'kalau vb selain boleh guna untuk programming apa lagi yg boleh dibuat?'
-'ooooo dia boleh buat kartun, video gerak2' <-- tah pape la dia bebel lagi (aku sekadar menganguk, rasa nak sepak keluar je)

'ok lah cam ni, kalau awak buat sistem registration, berapa lama masa yang awak perlukan? Just add user, del user ngan update user....'
- '3 bulan en.' <--- Bos aku bg isyarat suh berenti tanye

'ok la, kalau awak ada rezeki kat sini kita jumpa lagi'


Ok lah dari sesi dialog tuh... ha camne yerk? masih lagi student kita camni. Nak salahkan sape? Tak betul ke?
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